tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post1501419634069088797..comments2023-08-19T23:23:19.849+10:00Comments on Sentire cum Ecclesia: Junia in Romans 16:7 - Proof that we should ordain women?Schützhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-5715339950624972782008-10-26T12:11:00.000+11:002008-10-26T12:11:00.000+11:00There's no official calendar text per se, but the ...There's no official calendar text per se, but the Archdiocese link is authoritative. The listing is likewise traditional. Perhaps the priest's calendar was affected by the controversy. It is grammatically feminine in the Greek text, as accented, though the accentuation is later, and wouldn't have been present in the original. <BR/><BR/>There is no historically attested "Junias" name for a male. The male name would be Junius, a well-attested Roman family name, the feminine of which would be Junia. There is no way around that.<BR/><BR/>It's in the usage of "apostle" that the greatest difference lies, where the imposition of a later anachronistic reservation of "apostle" as a title for those of the Twelve and Paul is muddying the waters. In the NT texts, "apostle" is not restricted in that manner. Traditionally, Junia was among the Seventy Apostles sent out by the Lord in Luke 10, of which there is no agreed list, but many individual women saints are often said to have been among these seventy, from the third century onward, with no problem noted in the Greek sources. The anachronistic awkwardness that inspires the suggestion of a male Junias is a recent phenomenon, of the last century or so, and to be regretted.Kevin P. Edgecombhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16590490181739464401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-2218151255038590812008-10-25T14:21:00.000+11:002008-10-25T14:21:00.000+11:00I was researching this a couple of years ago and r...I was researching this a couple of years ago and rang a Greek Orthodox priest with the question male or female. He looked at his church calendar and told me that the feast was Agios (male) Junias not Agia (female) Junia. Is there more than one Greek Orthodox liturgical calendar?<BR/><BR/>My research also said that the matter of the gender of Junias is an open question because of the difficulty of deciphering the name as written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-46164104750861306052008-10-25T10:59:00.000+11:002008-10-25T10:59:00.000+11:00Victoria is incorrect. In the Greek Orthodox Chur...Victoria is incorrect. In the Greek Orthodox Church (where I'm at home), Junia is a woman (<A HREF="http://www.goarch.org/chapel/saints/58" REL="nofollow">May 17</A>), and considered one of the seventy apostles, though, of course, not one of the Twelve. So, part of the deal is what "apostle" connotes to different people. In the NT, as in the Greek Church, it's more like "missionary." But The Twelve are The Twelve Apostles par excellence.Kevin P. Edgecombhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16590490181739464401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-41175730474274556222008-10-24T23:20:00.000+11:002008-10-24T23:20:00.000+11:00Really? Not according to this review.Really? Not according to this review.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-35769868200195342962008-10-24T22:19:00.000+11:002008-10-24T22:19:00.000+11:00Well, the problem is NOT, as many have often assum...<I>Well, the problem is NOT, as many have often assumed, whether Junia was a woman or not. The universal evidence and agreement, including that of all Catholic tradition, is that she was.</I><BR/><BR/>Is that so? I understood that the jury was still out on this one.<BR/><BR/>In the Greek Orthodox Church Junias is regarded as a man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com