tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post2112324269675020529..comments2023-08-19T23:23:19.849+10:00Comments on Sentire cum Ecclesia: Help me contribute to a defence of "Sentire Cum Ecclesia" for Catholica AustraliaSchützhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-75062589804849968112007-09-21T21:43:00.000+10:002007-09-21T21:43:00.000+10:00Cooee, Warden! What a pleasure to have your compan...Cooee, Warden! What a pleasure to have your company. I knew you guys must be reading your "little brother's" blog from time to time, but thanks for taking the time to leave a message. I am in awe of the stuff you guys can do. What a wonderful thing anonymity is! But then again, it is probably pride that prevents me from acting anonymously. And fear. There is always the danger of being caught out!<BR/><BR/>On the topic: the more I think about it, the more I see there as being something "beautiful" in "thinking with the Church", the beauty of being a "little child". <BR/><BR/>The 20th Century saw so much "grey" ideology, where we were supposed to be mature and independant and our own boss. So, out with monarchy and in with republicanism. Out with personal freedom and in with Communism. Grey, grey, grey. Awful, awful, awful.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes there is something beautiful in being a child.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-12016086810090540832007-09-21T07:11:00.000+10:002007-09-21T07:11:00.000+10:00I quite like the Brian Coyne notion that those who...I quite like the Brian Coyne notion that those who think with the Church are just 'children' even in the derogatory sense in which he intends it... the fool doesn't see the beauty of his analogy. <BR/><BR/>Christ said: Let the children to come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly I say to you, whoever, does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it. Luke 18: 15-17<BR/><BR/>Children 'believe' because they want to believe. Their thoughts and motives are pure and they thirst for the truth. <BR/><BR/>Coyne and his ilk are so busy believing they are 'right' there is little room for a belief in God or his Church.<BR/><BR/>Sentire Cum Ecclesia!!The Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07120473803024119828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-83846246402396007662007-09-14T20:12:00.000+10:002007-09-14T20:12:00.000+10:00What a beautiful idea, "To think with the Church"....What a beautiful idea, "To think with the Church". The title for me points to solidarity with Christ and the authority given to the Church<BR/><BR/>Best wishes David.<BR/><BR/>julieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-91507800075429216432007-09-13T14:30:00.000+10:002007-09-13T14:30:00.000+10:00Shucks, I'm going to have to sit this one out.And ...Shucks, I'm going to have to sit this one out.<BR/><BR/>And now poor old Ignatius is dragged into it. In my high school years, the early days of the Revolution, er, Vatican II, I served Mass for an SJ priest late of the faculty of St Louis U who "retired" to the area -- if by retirement one means forced out by the Black Shirts for the Intergalactic Observance of the Spirit of Vatican II. He took me through the Spiritual Excercises, in Latin of course, and did his best to dissuade me from going off to the Benedictines who pray and work but do not know how to think or study.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I should have listened to him. That would have put me in St Louis for Seminex, the liberal side of which was aided by the same forces that threw him out of St Louis U. Maybe I'd have encountered confessional Lutheranism much earlier, when I was still young enough to grow up to be a Weedon or McCain. But I stuck with the SOBs, I mean OSBs, and found out they aren't much good for praying or work either.<BR/><BR/>But he did send me a copy of a work by a French Dominican called The Intellectual Life. Anybody heard of THAT? I may have the last copy on earth after the Kristallnacht visited upon Catholic education by the Black Shirts.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'll click and see if Brian is looking for help.Past Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-67646241069573908312007-09-13T01:22:00.000+10:002007-09-13T01:22:00.000+10:00I am amused by the reference to "obsequious". Is ...I am amused by the reference to "obsequious". Is there anything more obsequious than the kenosis of our Lord, who humbled himself in order to assume our human nature?<BR/><BR/>To think with the mind of the Church is to think with the mind of Christ, whose mystical body she is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-43845152024101148682007-09-13T00:34:00.000+10:002007-09-13T00:34:00.000+10:00An objection Brian raises to those who 'think with...An objection Brian raises to those who 'think with the Church' is that they are like little children (in a bad sense), don't think for themselves, etc, etc.<BR/> <BR/>If we look at those in history who have 'thought with the Church' - St Ignatius being the prime example - we see that rather than being like simple little children they were some of the greatest innovators of their times.<BR/> <BR/>E.g. St Ignatius wrote the 'Spiritual Exercises' (~1548) “with the object of helping many in their struggle for perfection” and coming to know God’s will in their life. The 'Spiritual Exercises' remains a classic and to this day exerts great influence.<BR/> <BR/>Others will be able to come up with different examples.<BR/> <BR/>[ JPII and with his ‘Theology of the Body' may be a modern example, in this instance time will tell.]Arabella-mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05882938927835413540noreply@blogger.com