tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post3709310033265361078..comments2023-08-19T23:23:19.849+10:00Comments on Sentire cum Ecclesia: "Fit for Mission? Church" - English Bishop Tells It As It IsSchützhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-54609398960547501682009-10-30T14:01:43.347+11:002009-10-30T14:01:43.347+11:00Is there any chance you can send me the "Fit ...Is there any chance you can send me the "Fit for Mission? Church" document? It was once available for downloading, but no longer.Rich Leonardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01060538864273399240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-8382016199413029582008-11-21T03:55:00.000+11:002008-11-21T03:55:00.000+11:00Good God, if the situation here were something goo...Good God, if the situation here were something good of which Catholics elsewhere can only dream, I might well leave on that alone, except I already left!<BR/><BR/>"Wonderful what people can achieve when they don't have the luxury of relying on governmental handouts for everything!"<BR/><BR/>Yeah, well we're trying to put an end to THAT! See you at the Chevy dealer!Past Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-69478447859354205062008-11-20T11:04:00.000+11:002008-11-20T11:04:00.000+11:00Past Elder writes:"How then to account for the sam...Past Elder writes:<BR/><BR/><I>"How then to account for the same state of affairs in US Catholic schools which have no such funding?</I>"<BR/><BR/>It's true that a lot of American schools are scarcely recognisable as Catholic. But it's also true that America has orthodox Catholic schools, orthodox Catholic universities, militant pro-life bodies, and a thriving intellectual life (as shown by the best US Catholic magazines), about which Catholics in most other countries can only dream. (Evelyn Waugh made the point about American Catholic institutions putting Englishmen to shame in his essay "The American Epoch in the Catholic Church.") <BR/><BR/>Wonderful what people can achieve when they don't have the luxury of relying on governmental handouts for everything!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-58063065819272682552008-11-20T07:51:00.000+11:002008-11-20T07:51:00.000+11:00How do we know it's not anti-pope Innocent III? G...How do we know it's not anti-pope Innocent III? Guess we need a novus ordo Ouija board.<BR/><BR/>I can certainly see your points about the effect of state funding re Catholic education in Catholic schools.<BR/><BR/>How then to account for the same state of affairs in US Catholic schools which have no such funding?Past Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541968132598367551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-8015127344674800632008-11-19T11:08:00.000+11:002008-11-19T11:08:00.000+11:00I should also ask His (resurrected) Holiness what ...I should also ask His (resurrected) Holiness what curriculum they use for RE at his school. May I suggest a change of curriculum? We have a very neat, locally produced job, put in action by +George Pell, completed by +Denis Hart, and overseen by +Peter Elliot called "To know, worship and love" for Prep to Yr 12.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-84445355275086814102008-11-19T11:06:00.000+11:002008-11-19T11:06:00.000+11:00Well, Anon, the good bishop's "Fit For Mission? Sc...Well, Anon, the good bishop's "Fit For Mission? Schools" document actually shows what can be done. <BR/><BR/>I could also recommend reading stuff by Archbishop Michael Miller, who used to be the Secretary of the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education. Check out this speech here: <A HREF="http://tomorrowstrust.ca/?p=2395" REL="nofollow">http://tomorrowstrust.ca/?p=2395</A><BR/><BR/>And imagine having a resurrected medieval pope for your school RE teacher. What fun! (Even more fun for the headmaster - sorry, principal - I would guess).Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-64119033552235473482008-11-18T21:58:00.000+11:002008-11-18T21:58:00.000+11:00It must be understood that R.E. in Catholic school...It must be understood that R.E. in Catholic schools is not - would that it were! - an exercise in catechising practising Catholics. Instead, the vast majority of students are non-practising and politely uninterested. What can be done when parents don't take their kids to church, and even tell them to put up with R.E. to maintain the polite fiction that they believe in it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-71460010073094340402008-11-18T21:57:00.000+11:002008-11-18T21:57:00.000+11:00As an RE teacher in a Catholic school I am well aw...As an RE teacher in a Catholic school I am well aware of this problem. The very curriculum is designed to inhibit any discussion of the Catholic faith as central to peoples lives. The course might well be renamed Social Justice, Personal Development and Comparative Religions. As Arnold said State Aid was a disaster. Bishop Matthew Quinn who led the Catholic opposition to the Education Act of Henry Parkes knew this only too clearly. Though he fought for state funding he was not prepared to compromise Catholic teaching. He would have Catholic schools with funding if possible but Catholic schools without funding if necessary. It is time to close down the existing schools and begin again with schools geared to taching the Catholic faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-16672165638345543272008-11-18T20:49:00.000+11:002008-11-18T20:49:00.000+11:00This is precisely why government aid to Catholic s...This is precisely why government aid to Catholic schools has been a disaster in practice, as Australia's own B. A. Santamaria admitted near the end of his life (having spent all too much of that life championing the philosophy in question).<BR/><BR/>Government aid means that there is no incentive to avoid heresy, because the heretic is at least as lavishly subsidised by the taxpayer as is the faithful Catholic.<BR/><BR/>Had even 1/20th of the energy and political agitation expended within Australia on demanding government aid for Catholic schools been spent on making homeschooling possible and affordable for Catholics, we might actually have had what we manifestly do not have now. That is, young Catholics who <I>know</I> their faith, have read widely in that faith, and do not regard that faith as a sort of cosmic rock concert with papal appearances attached.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-22274601895378786102008-11-18T15:34:00.000+11:002008-11-18T15:34:00.000+11:00The problem, Anonymous, is that most of our teache...The problem, Anonymous, is that most of our teachers know nothing about the faith, and we have Catholic teachers' colleges that generally don't care. The RE coordinator at my daughter's Catholic school was Jewish (and that was an improvement!)<BR/><BR/>No-one within the Catholic education system really believes this is a problem. As long as the government education grants keep flowing, who cares?<BR/><BR/>They think that a muddled sense of 'social justice' <I>is</I> Catholicism, and regard the historical basis of Christianity in Christ as mere baggage.<BR/><BR/>I'm getting very cynical these days. Obviously I need a dose of grace!Athanasiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376282404358594418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-58939737368524556592008-11-18T15:29:00.000+11:002008-11-18T15:29:00.000+11:00You could apply this to Anglican and Uniting Churc...You could apply this to Anglican and Uniting Church based schools of which i have had experience as a parent. <BR/>The current issue of climate change and sustainability are examples of the new 'values' and i ahve seen in schools of the above denominations these being pushed. Not about what Christ has achieved on the Cross once and for all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-57505406949704782972008-11-18T14:31:00.000+11:002008-11-18T14:31:00.000+11:00Simple question, to which I hope there is a simple...Simple question, to which I hope there is a simple answer:<BR/><BR/>Why can't Catholic schools teach the true teachings of the Catholic faith?<BR/><BR/>Long after being educated in one of the more praiseworthy Catholic schools in this nation, it still astounds me that I (and so many others) left if with nothing more than a vague sense of "values" and very little understanding of the Faith. Because we were never taught.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-17078768395209642742008-11-18T13:12:00.000+11:002008-11-18T13:12:00.000+11:00Malcolm Muggeridge was Rector of St Andrews univer...Malcolm Muggeridge was Rector of St Andrews university and he referred angrily to students use of the Pill,unfettered sex,drugs and alcohol and labelled these bahviours the refuge of any olddebauchee. Who criticised him the loudest-the Anglican and Catholic chaplains at the University.The Good Bishop is excellent company,being excoriated in THE TABLET by a theologian who obviously does not want to see or know the truth.<BR/>as the Bible says " A man's enemies are those of his own household"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com