tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post3906089646083186146..comments2023-08-19T23:23:19.849+10:00Comments on Sentire cum Ecclesia: Catholic Politician "Swayed" by "Emotional Tug" in IVF debateSchützhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-58257500717331149062009-07-07T12:54:31.853+10:002009-07-07T12:54:31.853+10:00Senator Conroy is conducting dodgy trails to try a...Senator Conroy is conducting dodgy trails to try and prove that filtering is good for us all, the Rudd labor party is takling Australia into a new paternalistic fascist Christian censorship regime for labour<br /><br />http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Religion/Vilification.html#dodgy<br /><br />Tim AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-46901160552398139552008-11-18T00:51:00.000+11:002008-11-18T00:51:00.000+11:00Speaking of the difficulty in keeping apace with c...Speaking of the difficulty in keeping apace with culture-of-death bills, how about <A HREF="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08111305.html" REL="nofollow">this committee proposal to pay women for aborting handicapped offpsring</A> in order to save money for the government?<BR/><BR/>They're coming in thick and fast. Off-shore, there are abortion lobbies making parliamentary/political rounds in the Philippines, Uruguay, the UK, Jamaica, and probably a few more countries.Jeff Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10766263101941796485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-46511119488527525842008-11-16T18:07:00.000+11:002008-11-16T18:07:00.000+11:00While I admire the work Archbishop Hart has done o...<I>While I admire the work Archbishop Hart has done on the abortion legislation, he has left his run about 20 years too late. That's how long it takes to build a broadly based and intellectually respectable movement to oppose such things.<BR/><BR/>It's never too late to start, but we have to be realistic.</I><BR/><BR/>Never fear! By the grace of God I shall convert them all with my magnificent book, "Secularism Sux!"<BR/><BR/><I>As the grieving daughter of Mr Wylie said, Nitschke's organision Exit International is like a cult and the followers get mesmerised by Nitschke.</I><BR/><BR/>Nitschke - a walking defence for the Inquisitions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-72967752244793528992008-11-15T07:03:00.000+11:002008-11-15T07:03:00.000+11:00Its not only Catholics who can see the truth about...Its not only Catholics who can see the truth about IVF. Margaret Somerville is an Australian who is now an atheist philosopher (but I think was brought up a Catholic) and is often described as "controversial" because she opposes gay marriage. Her argument is that marriage gives the right to have children, so this will then be used to argue for IVF for gay couples. As she points out, no-one then asks the children if they want to be deprived of their right to have a father.<BR/>http://www.unisa.edu.au/hawkecentre/events/2007events/MSomerville_InConversation.asp<BR/>These days, rational argument is indeed controversial.<BR/><BR/>On a related matter, did you hear Philip Nitschke's comment yesterday about the conviction resulting from the murder of alzheimers sufferer Graeme Wylie? He blamed Mr Wylie for "an act of selfishness" in not doing more planning for his own death and making difficulties for the Nitschke mob. As the grieving daughter of Mr Wylie said, Nitschke's organision Exit International is like a cult and the followers get mesmerised by Nitschke.<BR/>When euthanasia is discussed in the media, they alway bring up very extreme cases to tug at the heartstrings, but the real cases are often more like this one, a loved one who is suffering from a mild affliction and who needs care.<BR/><BR/>The lack of rationality of many today is also shown by the case of the 13 year old girl, Hannah Jones who has refused a heart transplant. The health authorities in England tried to force it on her, confusing euthanasia with refusal of extraordinary treatment. (A friend who knows more of the Cathechism than me pointed to CCC 2278)Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16024452870797874186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-34451945222600685812008-11-14T17:06:00.000+11:002008-11-14T17:06:00.000+11:00I wonder whether there will be a Parliamentary Inq...I wonder whether there will be a Parliamentary Inquiry into Senator Conroy’s emotional blackmail? After all, Cardinal Pell was accused of “emotional blackmail” and hauled before an inquiry for his intervention into the debate over stem cell research in N.S.W. last year. Imagine the outcry if, say, Msgr. Hart had used the tactics of Sen. Conroy. Funny how there’s one standard for the supporters of the commodification of human life and another for its opponents.<BR/><BR/>I wonder, also, whether Mr. Smith thought to ask Sen. Conroy how many of the latter’s child’s embryonic brothers and sisters were tipped down the drain, discarded as ‘excess embryos’?Cardinal Polehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15606972767215157799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-80020187450203721932008-11-14T14:50:00.000+11:002008-11-14T14:50:00.000+11:00At times like this I feel the temptation to despai...At times like this I feel the temptation to despair. I'm really not sure where to turn.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that many Catholics (including Catholic politicians, academics, teachers and medical professionals) have thoroughly assimilated the technocratic and anti-human assumptions of modernity, and they pass these on to their children and students. The Catholic tradition of respect for life and human sexuality is now foreign to them, or is abandoned as soon as it might cost something.<BR/><BR/>This massive gap between Catholic identity and Catholic belief is unsustainable, and the dam is about to break. <BR/><BR/>Once mandatory referral for abortion takes effect, we're all in for a nasty shock. Plenty of "Catholic" doctors and nurses will go along with the State Government's plans, and will resist the Archbishop's attempts to rein them in. They'll justify this by saying that failure to refer is "unprofessional". <BR/><BR/>How do I know this? Because I was told by an obstetrics nurse at one of our hospitals that she plans to do this, and she couldn't understand why anyone would have a problem with it.<BR/><BR/>While I admire the work Archbishop Hart has done on the abortion legislation, he has left his run about 20 years too late. That's how long it takes to build a broadly based and intellectually respectable movement to oppose such things. <BR/><BR/>It's never too late to start, but we have to be realistic. The Catholic education system will be no help because has been domesticated by the state bureaucracies and their fellow-travellers within the CEOs. <BR/><BR/>It will take a long time to build up alternative ways to educate Catholics and develop a robust movement for change. In the meantime, we are going to lose a lot of these battles.<BR/><BR/>Where's a Santamaria when you need them? We really need a lay intellectual leader with a streak of mongrel!Athanasiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376282404358594418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-58610557410057808552008-11-14T14:43:00.000+11:002008-11-14T14:43:00.000+11:00i thought the euthanasia had been debated and fail...i thought the euthanasia had been debated and failed to pass the Upper House?Bet the greens will support it-anything pagan in origin,anti-prolife and against people's humanity ,they will always support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-58791010521010981612008-11-14T14:41:00.000+11:002008-11-14T14:41:00.000+11:00It's more than one more child without a natural fa...It's more than one more child without a natural father I think, it's also about more frozen embryos ready to be experimented on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-4685580640464110112008-11-14T14:03:00.000+11:002008-11-14T14:03:00.000+11:00Where was the Church in all this lobbying??? I fea...<I>Where was the Church in all this lobbying??? I fear that we have been completely run over by a well oiled machine that promoted the Abortion Reform Bill and now this Bill. We failed to see this coming, prepare for it and fight against it...</I><BR/><BR/>Guilty as charged, I am afraid. No one expected the Government to move this quickly on this issue - although we are all preparing for the euthanasia debate.<BR/><BR/>The surprising thing was that this bill was before the Lower house and voted on before the public was really aware of it, certainly before any campaign could be built against it. The opposition to it was greater than to the abortion bill, and perhaps we were a little too complacent, thinking it would be defeated in Parliament.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, we need to get ready for the Euthanasia debate--assuming we are given the chance to debate it before they vote on it.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-69507409821681529222008-11-14T14:00:00.000+11:002008-11-14T14:00:00.000+11:00This is the same Bob Smith,who when the Abortion B...<I>This is the same Bob Smith,who when the Abortion Bill was passed ,took the Lord's name in vain because Parliamentary security had not been on duty up in the visotors gallery.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, of course, Him. It all falls into place now.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-34721763455758583272008-11-14T12:36:00.000+11:002008-11-14T12:36:00.000+11:00David, have you and others been writing to these g...David, have you and others been writing to these guys? I'd do it, myself, but they happily ignore non-Victorians when it suits themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-3248149458340387242008-11-14T12:34:00.000+11:002008-11-14T12:34:00.000+11:00What is the Victorian pro-life movement doing? Do ...What is the Victorian pro-life movement doing? Do they have lobbyists at the moment?<BR/><BR/>Lord, preserve us from pollies who can't use their brains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-73461861820440614222008-11-14T12:03:00.000+11:002008-11-14T12:03:00.000+11:00Where was the Church in all this lobbying???I fear...Where was the Church in all this lobbying???<BR/>I fear that we have been completely run over by a well oiled machine that promoted the Abortion Reform Bill and now this Bill.<BR/>We failed to see this coming, prepare for it and fight against it - leaving it to some (such as the stalker on the news last night) who make the pro-life movement to look like a bunch of kooks. We have failed badly. All of us. And we will be judged on this failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-86697384859108691922008-11-14T11:49:00.000+11:002008-11-14T11:49:00.000+11:00This is the same Bob Smith,who when the Abortion B...This is the same Bob Smith,who when the Abortion Bill was passed ,took the Lord's name in vain because Parliamentary security had not been on duty up in the visotors gallery. What a hypocrite he is,and I told him soAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-55055432842098097412008-11-14T11:20:00.000+11:002008-11-14T11:20:00.000+11:00And to think until last year that Conroy's nicknam...And to think until last year that Conroy's nickname in Politics was The Altar Boy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com