tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post4732744488881217652..comments2023-08-19T23:23:19.849+10:00Comments on Sentire cum Ecclesia: The "Simul" must finally come to an endSchützhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-11611881104208109912009-02-12T05:54:00.000+11:002009-02-12T05:54:00.000+11:00The article, "On Loveing the Law of God, from Firs...The article, "On Loveing the Law of God, from First Things can be found here:<BR/><BR/>http://jpschock.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/on-loving-the-law-of-god/Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091285114358709692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-90047520695780593322009-02-11T12:00:00.000+11:002009-02-11T12:00:00.000+11:00Thanks, Dr Tighe, for the reference.Thanks, Dr Tighe, for the reference.Fr John W Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-1118569554518764822009-02-11T11:46:00.000+11:002009-02-11T11:46:00.000+11:00"An Orthodox View of Finnish Luther Research," by ..."An Orthodox View of Finnish Luther Research," by Anna Briskina, *Lutheran Quarterly*, XXII:1 (Spring 2008), pp. 16-39.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-7902210851098420992009-02-11T11:39:00.000+11:002009-02-11T11:39:00.000+11:00That's right on, Matthias.That's right on, Matthias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-2311437050276851982009-02-11T09:57:00.000+11:002009-02-11T09:57:00.000+11:00Good one, Matthias. That sums up what should be ou...Good one, Matthias. That sums up what should be our goal in this life: not being what we were. St Paul says enough about this in his letters for it to be quite clear.<BR/><BR/>Fr Fenton, Dr William also sent me a copy of an article published in the Spring 2008 edition of the Lutheran Quarterly by Orthodox theologian Anna Briskina critiquing the Finnish Luther Research into theosis in Luther's theology. You might be interested in that. It is relevant to this discussion.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-57421670382366083382009-02-11T09:06:00.000+11:002009-02-11T09:06:00.000+11:00In reference to your comments about achieving sain...In reference to your comments about achieving sainthood or not this side of Eternity,you reminded me of what one of my Pastors-who had been an alcoholic prior to conversion- use to quote a guy who was converted in a rescue mission in New Orleans.<BR/> "I aint what I should be<BR/> I aint what I will be<BR/> But I sure aint like i use to be"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-50188511783086725762009-02-11T02:55:00.000+11:002009-02-11T02:55:00.000+11:00David,Thank you for reminding me of both of these ...David,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for reminding me of both of these essays. Hutchens analysis is spot-on. The notion that the simul phrase is properly understood "only if we take the peccator to be Adam and the justus to be Christ" not only makes sense theologically, but also historically. Too often, Luther is cast as an existentialist born too early; and in American ears, such existentialism cannot be disentangled from an individualistic view of "Manifest Destiny." Christos Yannaras makes a similar argument, as it relates to ecclesiology, in "The Freedom of Morality."<BR/><BR/>Again, thanks.Fr John W Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283787316830250866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-54029079718632846602009-02-11T01:21:00.000+11:002009-02-11T01:21:00.000+11:00I'm happy to send you a copy, David... email me at...I'm happy to send you a copy, David... email me at chris "dot" burgwald "at" gmail "dot" com with your mailing address.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091653573582292028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-82214335647018535962009-02-11T00:36:00.000+11:002009-02-11T00:36:00.000+11:00I would be very interested in reading your dissert...I would be very interested in reading your dissertation, Chris. Where can I get a hold of a copy?Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-20591304687949369432009-02-11T00:32:00.000+11:002009-02-11T00:32:00.000+11:00David, it is precisely on the matter of the simul ...David, it is precisely on the matter of the simul that I am most sympathetic to Luther and Lutheranism... from an experiential perspective, I came to see the rationale behind Luther's point on this matter, and in large part, it makes sense to me. In fact, my dissertation was precisely on the question of the sinfulness of the justified in Lutheran-Catholic dialogue. The heart of the matter, of course, is whether or not concupiscence is sin or not, and I argued that just as we use sin analogously when it comes to venial and original sin, so might we use it analogously when it comes to concupiscence (Trent even implies, noting that concupiscence isn't sin *properly* speaking, implying that it can be considered sin in another, improper sense).<BR/><BR/>I really think that Lutheran spirituality has much to offer the Catholic Church; unfortunately, at this point it seems that that's only going to happen when Lutherans such as yourself bring that spirituality with them across the Tiber.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091653573582292028noreply@blogger.com