tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post9191513075311022494..comments2023-08-19T23:23:19.849+10:00Comments on Sentire cum Ecclesia: Leaders of Society of St Pius X apologise for scandal and take action against Anti-Semitism in their SocietySchützhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-80627620229631237762009-01-30T11:06:00.000+11:002009-01-30T11:06:00.000+11:00Anon, Thanks for the reference to Anthony's articl...Anon, Thanks for the reference to Anthony's article - I did not know he had written on the subject. It will be interesting to read it.<BR/><BR/>And yes, Perry, that's precisely how I see the case as well. The Holy Father is indicating his good will to seek unity wherever possible, but that doesn't mean he can work miracles.<BR/><BR/>As for all ecumenical unions, so for this. It hardly ever happens that two groups enter into an agreement of full communion without some in at least one of the groups breaking away into another splinter group, or remaining as "confessing [add name of denomination]-ers."<BR/><BR/>A good example is the Uniting Church, which saw a large percentage of Presbyterians staying out of the union.<BR/><BR/>I can't imagine a reunion of the Society with Rome happening without there being a significant percentage of those who currently belong to the Society continuing as their own traditionalist communion separate from Rome. I can't imagine that all current members would ever be reconciled to the "conciliar Church" in toto.Schützhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026181010471282505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-82492600519958322482009-01-29T21:05:00.000+11:002009-01-29T21:05:00.000+11:00Peregrinus is exactly right - except that Williams...Peregrinus is exactly right - except that Williamson is more than 'slightly' addled. <BR/><BR/>See our own Bishop Fisher: Anthony Fisher: "Lefebvrism: Jansenism Revisited?", on the outlook of the Jansenists and their "Rigorist Mentality", New Blackfriars 71 June 1990, 274-85 (c. 1999)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21487528.post-59099513152122420832009-01-29T19:11:00.000+11:002009-01-29T19:11:00.000+11:00I think what you say is correct.It’s noteworthy th...I think what you say is correct.<BR/><BR/>It’s noteworthy that Williamson has been spouting this stuff for years, but so far as I know this is the first time the SSPX has ever attempted to distance itself from his views, or to shut him up. It’s surely not a coincidence that this change of tack on the part of the SSPX follows hard upon the revocation of the excommunications.<BR/><BR/>But I think this also illustrates the magnitude of the problem. Williamson holds, and frequently expresses, other views which are equally as detached from reality, if not quite as offensive, as his holocaust denial. On the kindest view, the man is daft, and any organisation concerned with either self-respect or credibility would have neutralised him long ago with early retirement, a permanent assignment to a Trappist house of strict observance, or outright expulsion. The SSPX hasn’t done anything about this to date because (sinister conspiracy theory) they secretly agree with Williamson or (plain common sense) they can’t afford the split which would likely result from alienating one of their four bishops.<BR/><BR/>But even the plain common sense view is problematic; the SSPX can live with a rupture between them and the Bishop of Rome, but not with a rupture between them and the slightly addled bishop of nowhere in particular? What does that say about their Catholicity? But, to be fair, the latest statement does indicate that, in response to the generosity of Joseph Ratzinger, they are now prepared to risk the pique of Richard Williamson.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, though, that they’ve got to move a lot further than that. Williamson’s views are a grotesque scandal, but they don’t really go to the heart of what separates Econe from Rome, and standing up to Williamson is about 1% of what the SSPX needs to do if it really wants to rebuild communion with Rome. If it takes the lifting of the excommunications to get them to do what any self-respecting religious society or congregation would have done of its own accord twenty years ago, it’s hard to be optimistic that they will advance very far along the road to communion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com