Saturday, September 23, 2006

You want to know what you think? I'll tell you what you think!

Mmm. That seems to be the approach of some Christian commentators re Islam. For that matter, the same approach has a long tradition in Protestant commentary on the errors of Catholicism. John Allen, in this week's All Things Catholic has an interview with Jesuit Fr Daniel Madigan who makes the following comment:

"Its no use staging a dialogue in the 21st Century on teh basis of perceptions formed six centuries ago. The key is to sit down with individual Muslims and ask, 'Where do you stand? How do you justify that? What can I expect from you?' We can't tell them what we think they believe, and then criticize what we think they believe."

But that is exactly what I come across again and again. Dialogue does not begin with us telling them what they believe. It begins with listening to them tell us what they believe. And believing them.

I had a dialogue recently with a non-catholic chap who, after a while, started telling me that I was pulling his leg about Catholic doctrine and trying to "fool" him, because he knew what we Catholics believed and it wasn't what I was telling him. Where had he learnt his "facts" about the Catholic faith? From a website by an ex-priest who left the Church and is now a stridently anti-Catholic Evangelical preacher.

I therefore have some sympathy with those Muslims who complain when Christians use anti-Muslim publications and websites to form their understanding of Islam. These Christians are the ones who, when told of Muslims who promote peace and freedom of religion and who denouce terrorism, respond by saying: "Yeah, but that isn't true Islam, is it?"

And what about the old "Yeah, but they are taught to lie, aren't they? You can't trust them. What they tell you and what they really believe are two different things." Give me a break. That's a worse situation than poor Brian in the Monty Python film when he is told that "only the true Messiah would deny his divinity." As Brian says, what chance does that give us?

Who the bloody hell are we to tell them what is and what is not "true Islam"? And, moreover, who are we (who can't even read Arabic and have no training whatsoever in Koranic exegesis) to tell them what the Koran does and doesn't say on the basis of reading a translation (or, as our Islamic friends insist, an "interpretation")? And when we don't even take the time to check out whether or not the translation is kosher (or should that be Hallal?). His Eminence George Cardinal Pell, bless his little red cotton socks, learnt the hard way recently how important it is to take note of who the translator is if you are making a reference to an English translation of the Koran.

Dear Catholic friends reading this blog: Please do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you don't like other people forming their opinion of your faith on the basis of the rantings and ramblings anti-Catholic polemicists, don't form your notion of their faith on the basis of information clearly biased against them. If you want to find out about Islam, talk to a Muslim (they don't bite, you know). Or at least read something written by a Muslim (such as this PDF file).

And if the golden rule isn't enough for you, perhaps the eighth commandment will help: Do not bear false witness against your neighbour--or take note of false witness against them. Learn the truth, and learn to trust that what they say. You might say, "Yeah, I'll trust them when they start to do x, y and z", but thank God that it was while we were yet sinners that he began his great dialogue of love with us. As Dan Madigan said to John Allen:

"The message of the New Testament begins with grace, with God's gratuity towards humanity... It's the same thing in the Christain approach to dialogue. We must be ready to listen, to discuss. We have to make it clear that we're going to be there, eveing if you're not taking notice. We hope that will gradually transform the other."

3 Comments:

At Monday, September 25, 2006 10:20:00 am , Anonymous MikeA said...

You are so right! The similarity between the way some protestants treat our doctrines, and the way we treat Islam is quite stark.
It's one thing to be a little worried about what evils Islamic fundamentalism might bring to our future, but it's another to start the dialogue by telling them what they think.

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 2:37:00 pm , Blogger Mild Colonial Boy, Esq. said...

Some Mohammadans have already told us what they believe:

"Islam is Not a Religion of Pacifists by
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, 1942

Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law]. ...

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does that mean that Muslim should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!

There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

The problem lies in people who refuse to take the Mohammadans at their word.

In any case, Our Lord told us to:

"Therefore go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you" (Matt. 28:192-20) - Not, go forth and have dialogue and do nothing to convert them.

 
At Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52:00 pm , Blogger Mild Colonial Boy, Esq. said...

Here is another opinion from a Mohammedan, Ibn Khaldun, regarding dialogue with Christians:

"We do not think that we should blacken the pages of this book [the Muqaddimah] with discussion of their [Christian] dogmas of unbelief. In general, they are well known. All of them are unbelief. This is clearly stated in the noble Koran. To discuss or argue those things with them is not up to us. It is for them to choose between conversion to Islam, payment of the poll tax, or death"

 

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